- On new LAPD regulations, 'You know, policemen also use "Bubba" a lot, 'cause it's a slam term, because n****** you know they call each other Bubba. We have to be willing to be vulnerable. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. Torture, all kinds of stuff,' says Fuhrman. Fuhrman, who in addition to the glove also found the blood on and in Simpson's Ford Bronco, was listed as a police witness by the prosecution in a form submitted to Judge Ito before the start of the trial. The day after the tapes were played for the jury, Fuhrman once again took the witness stand and said to every question asked by the defense; 'I wish to assert my 5th Amendment privilege.'. PARKS: Because in the early '90s, almost the same things were happening in west L.A. That were happening in the '80s and you heard rumors about women being mistreated and not given an opportunity. BAYAN LEWIS, FORMER ASSISTANT CHIEF, LAPD: Because the command staff that was in charge of him did not do the job they should have done, which is to deal with the issue in a strong manner. In graphic passages from the audio tapes that have come to dominate the O.J. The jury ultimately found Simpson not guilty, and on July 5, 1996 Fuhrman was charged with perjury for lying about his use of racial slurs on the stand. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:33:24] KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: By 1995 Laura Hart McKinny had settled down with her family in suburban North Carolina but back in L.A. her old friend Mark Fuhrman was back on the stand. 'Two guys, well, there was four guys. PHILLIPS: As Bailey was grilling Fuhrman, no one knew about Laura Hart McKinny tapes, except for her and a few close allies. . Fuhrman was uncomfortable with the attention the trial brought to him and wished things had been different. In one instance, Fuhrman reported that a suspect was beaten to death and three others were hospitalized with broken bones. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:53:33] PHILLIPS: It was 1994. 'Grabbed her by the hair and stuck a gun to her head, and used her as a barricade. - On racial profiling suspects, 'How do you intellectualize when you punch the hell out of a n*****? As a result, the defense team worked hard to discredit him at the trial, with lawyer F. Lee Bailey hinting through his questions during cross examination that Fuhrman might be a racist who planted the glove at Simpson's home. Did you find that odd at all that he was ok being recorded talking about this? PHILLIPS: But McKinny was still thrust into the spotlight and that meant anxiety and fear. Greg Lefevre, Correspondent . He also accuses his colleagues, but not himself, of making multiple mistakes while investigating the case. PHILLIPS: Men against women wasn't only about denigrating females, Fuhrman also told screen writer Laura Hart McKinny that MAW held what they called kill parties. We grabbed a girl that lived there, one of their girlfriends. Four suspects ran into a second-story. The whole world would watch him implode. In that book he apologized for using racial slurs, said that he believed Simpson should have been arrested earlier by LAPD and accuses the prosecution of having abandoned him at trial after the release of the tapes. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It doesn't happen under my watch, period. Just body shots. Read Best of the Sidebars in the OJ Simpson Trial. PHILLIPS: Stories of alleged sexism, racism, and police brutality. PHILLIPS: So when you heard about men against women and this group of guys making it their mission to intimidate and harass women, did you believe it? Best of the Sidebars in the OJ Simpson Trial, bar disclosure of Simpson's financial status, bar Nicole's "he's going to kill me" statement to the police, bar testimony about Simpson's "stalking" or "battering", bar testimony about Simpson's drug use & adultery, bar reference to the Brown family selling items/stories to the media, bar reference to Simpson's financial support of the Browns, bar "Rockingham blood was planted" theory, bar reference to Fuhrman's invocation of the 5th. Did you ever at any point feel I need to report what he is saying? So who told Pat McKenna you had these tapes? - On women playing football, 'We stopped the choke because a bunch of n****** have a bunch of these organizations in the south end, and because all n****** are choked out and killed -- twelve in ten years. - On apprehending suspects, 'What if I've just been raped by two buck n******, and a female shows up?' Went over to the baseball diamond and talked to him. PHILLIPS: Voices like Tia Morris. HART MCKINNY: It just pissed me off. PHILLIPS: Disturbing. I feel that often when I'm working. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a belly punch at the wrong time. Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown were dead, and her ex-husband, O.J. HART MCKINNY: I couldn't believe it. - On police methods, 'N*****. The probative value of the evidence of Fuhrman's use of racial epithets comes from the fact that he has testified that he has not used the term in the last 10 years, thereby impacting his credibility. There is the Rolling 60's, n***** group they went into a sporting good store and stole 50 Uzis, 3,000 rounds.' Questions then arose how she could not remember Fuhrman given the fact that he spoke so angrily about her on the tapes. Simpson trial, Tia Morris testified before an administrative board about the behavior of Mark Fuhrman and other officers. . PHILLIPS: What was your reaction to the verdict when O.J. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Flames are jumping about 25 feet in the air -- PHILLIPS: A city torture by a history of racial rage. He even gave that response to the last question asked by the defense as to whether or not he planted evidence at Simpson's home. His recorded words as well as his denial was a major blow to the prosecution's case. Simpson was found not guilty? Fuhrman, who is now 64, is also a frequent guest on Fox News. No, because he liked to talk about his thoughts and his feelings. I mean that's bullshit.' This court's focus, however, is legally restricted to just two issues: 1) Is Orenthal James Simpson guilty of the murders of Ronald L. Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson, and 2) How should these tapes impact upon the testimony by and about now retired Los Angeles Police Department Detective Mark Fuhrman. The Fuhrman tapes are proof of an unrepentant streak of violent racism in the LAPD, and the O.J. PHILLIPS: And your thought was? HART MCKINNY: He violated all of our principles, and he glances at the note pad, kissing one female officer on duty in uniform and embarrassing us all. So it was kind of shunted off to the side. PHILLIPS: One thing Fuhrman has said is, at times maybe I got a little carried away talking to Laura. PHILLIPS: So it just empowered you. All n******, n***** training officers, n*****( with three years on the job. FUHRMAN TAPES The court has read and considered the Defense Offer Of Proof Re: "Fuhrman Tapes", the amendments to the original offer of proof, the responses filed by the prosecution, listened to the redacted audio tapes, read and considered the multiple transcripts of the redacted audio tapes, and heard the argument of counsel. Simpson murder trial. PHILLIPS: And internal investigations. We have no n****** where I grew up.'. Trial Transcripts PHILLIPS: Seemingly makes guys aware that if they are nice to female officers there will be consequences. Fuhrman and McKinny began meeting for taped interviews in February 1985 and continued meeting until July 1994. ', He also defended his collection of German war artifacts from World Wart II by saying they were 'not swastikas.'. PHILLIPS: And she remains mostly silent until now. [9] Regarding police brutality towards suspects, "just about everything Fuhrman told McKinny, which could be connected to an actual event, was bigger, bloodier and more violent than the facts", the report concluded. The Fuhrman Tapes and the L.A.P.D. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:41:48] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good afternoon, Ms. McKinny. And I was wrong. FUHRMAN: Yes. HART MCKINNY: He said that. . This is a conversation we're . PHILLIPS: Who had helped them in some way or not reported something in a report that those officers felt they should have or had done something nice to them, had backed them up. FUHRMAN: It was like a man and wife relationship, you know. I used to practice my kicks.' 'Did you ever try to find a bruise on a n*****. Frederico usually carousing superfluously or upchuck octagonally when unfenced Baily reforests sinistrally and dreadfully. If it's not believed, I can't make somebody believe me. People there don't want Mexicans in their town. We were privy to all of his past investigations and a stress claim that he filed where he talked about how he hated blacks and Hispanics, and women. And I will deny the subpoena. Fuhrman first uses the racial slur while complaining about changes in the LAPD, saying; 'That we've got females and dumb n******, and all your Mexicans that can't even write the name of the car they drive. The nature and purpose of their relationship. He wants to be chief, so he wants the city council, and the police commissioner, and all these n****** in L.A. City government and all of 'em should be lined up against a wall and f******' shot.' When you found out you had to work the beat with him, what's your reaction? I didn't know what I was doing. - On America aid to Africa, 'People there don't want n****** in their town. We gave all the females names, like these really ugly ones called critter, and this other one we call her, uh Hench Monkey like in the Wizard of Oz. A competent woman cop I think is more accurate. PHILLIPS: One member of that task force, Tia Morris. To bolster their case, excerpts of the tapes were admitted as evidence. Fuhrman was the cop who decided that speck of blood was probable cause to climb over the wall to O.J. PHILLIPS: A split-tail for a partner. While Ito said he had heard all the tapes and had read all the transcripts, Uelmen said he wanted to go over them so . [9], Fuhrman was charged with perjury for his testimony at the trial. He did specify he knew it was stemming from Fuhrman and said he was going to start an investigation and he did. 'We searched him again and found the gun. PHILLIPS: Bernard Parks was an LAPD deputy chief when Fuhrman came up to promotion. She could have profited handsomely from those tapes but she didn't. "Testimony of documentary film producer Laura Hart McKinney in the OJ Simpson Trial", "Excerpts from the Ruling on the Fuhrman Tapes", "Detective's Words Return To Haunt Him Fuhrman Tapes made Public As Judge Ponders Admissibility", "Fuhrman Led 'Klan' vs. Of the 29 incidents described in McKinny's tapes and transcripts, 17 could not be connected to known events. PHILLIPS: Exactly what McKinny needed to write her screen play about misogyny in the Los Angeles police department? More than once though he is describing a violent incident, like when he tells a story about beating up a suspect in his custody. "[5] Harrington criticized the report, saying it "was good in documenting that there is a problem, but I don't think the report offers any solutions." UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You say on your oath that you have not address any black person as a nigger, was spoken about black people as niggers in the past ten years, Detective Fuhrman? It's relevant, germane, material. She looks just like one of those monkeys they send out of the castle. The Fuhrman Tapes with Transcript - O.J. Like in the locker-room, some new kid, you know. HART MCKINNY: I was sitting outside working on my laptop and he was dressed in regular clothes and he sat down and I was like he seems like a nice person. [23:55:09] FUHRMAN: I'm not a racist. I don't know if you've heard that before, but what's your reaction to that? He said you're never going to find a woman cop who's a good cop. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In a matter of the people of state of California versus Orenthal James Simpson. MORRIS: It happened because of the lieutenant that noticed the issues were spilling over to another watch. Portions of the tapes were admitted into evidence during the 1995 O. J. Simpson murder trial. I'm sorry for that. PHILLIPS: This time the investigation resulted in officers being reassigned, including Mark Fuhrman, a fateful move with consequences that no one could have imagined. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could you come forward, please. MARK FUHRMAN, DETECTIVE: That is what I'm saying, sir. . - On working Mardi Gras, 'There is going to be a massacre in the future and they know that. PHILLIPS: And revealing a secret sexist society inside the LAPD, when we come back on the beat with Mark Fuhrman. It is pretty tough, huh?'. Fuhrman, a key witness in the O.J. That is just right out. In one tape, Fuhrman complains about a partner who followed department rules and was unwilling to lie for another officer. That request was later withdrawn by the prosecution, and Judge Ito decided to stay on the case after he asked another judge to make a ruling on whether or not he believed his wife was now a relevant witness given statements made by Fuhrman in the tapes. TimesMachine is an exclusive benefit for home delivery and digital subscribers. PHILLIPS: The taping began when their romantic relationship ended. In the tapes Fuhrman also made many references to the "planting of evidence" and implied that police brutality and evidence planting were common practice in the Los Angeles Police Department. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Orenthal James Simpson not guilty of the crime of verdict in violation of penal code -- HART MCKINNY: Could have actually helped to make a guilty man go free. I was first unit at the scene. It's the man. For more than 20 years, you were the woman with the tapes that changed the face of this trial. Then in 1991 there was this, a grainy video of four white cops beating Rodney King. The prosecution called for Judge Ito to recuse himself believing he could not be fair given this new development, while the defense argued against that. It was a bombshell! HART MCKINNY: Depending on the crime committed, the grand dragon would determine what the (inaudible) would be. This is bomb shell evidence and absolutely critical. I would have a very hard time today sitting here thinking of my sons and telling them that I destroyed something that I was proud that I had done. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A massive combined National Guard and police sweep is underway to bring peace and order. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 42 times? Witnesses who were members of the police force were listed on a spousal conflict form and Captain York was required to review the list and sign off on the fact that she did not have a relationship with any members of the LAPD who would appear at trial. Simpson trial, and it made us look absolutely horrible within our minority community. - Describing LA neighborhood, 'I mean, that's just the way you feel, you know. FUHRMAN: Five years ago I would have spun around and choked him out until he told me the truth. He is very capable of protecting himself. 'I had 66 allegations of brutality: AEW, under color of authority, assault and battery under color authority. Female Officers on Tapes, O.J. By all accounts Fuhrman was to be THE STAR witness for the prosecution against O.J. Moment commuter blasts eco-zealots, Royal superfans camping on The Mall ahead of King's Coronation, Women's rights activists and pro-trans campaigners separated, Cambridge students party in the park during annual celebrations, Russian freight train derails and bursts into flames after explosion, Historic chairs to be reused by the King for the coronation service, Hundreds of Household Division members rehearse for coronation, Braverman: People crossing Channel are 'at odds with British values', 'You motherf***ers don't understand': Bam Margera details 'turmoil', Ukraine drone strike hits major fuel depot in port Sevastopol. HART MCKINNY: I have three sons. HART MCKINNY: No. . MARK FUHRMAN, DETECTIVE: That is what I am saying. It was a misplaced effort and I did it the wrong way. HART MCKINNY: We had a romance. McKinny, who was a professor at the North Carolina School of the Arts in its filmmaking department, was resistant to sharing the tapes and transcripts from her interviews with Fuhrman according to . Jury & Witness Lists Simpson Trial? He told us what he observed and what he had been hearing about the men against women and the WAF, the White Angle Faction police. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. They knew how he was and nobody did anything. FUHRMAN: If I go down they lose the case. "[8], Earlier in the trial, Fuhrman testified that he had not used the word "nigger" within the last ten years, which proved later to be perjured testimony with the admission of the tapes. PHILLIPS: And pled no contest to perjury. Went over to the baseball diamond and talked to him. PHILLIPS: What's it like to be back here? He knew exactly how important he was. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you use the word nigger? Fuhrman was briefly assigned to investigate the slayings of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald L. Goldman on June 12, 1994. N******. Just body shots. PHILLIPS: Two people brutally murdered, Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman and the main suspect, Nicole's ex-husband, football legend, O.J. It's over.' That McKinny has had tape recorded and transcribed conversations with Fuhrman for the nine-year period between April of 1985 and July of 1994. d. That during the course of those conversations.
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