Without the weapons selector the player must fire all their Sidewinders before they can fire their Skyflashes, however the bombs and rockets may be dropped at any time using their separate control. Look at Guidance system type. Update dropped today that is supposed to disable the weapon camera view for the Bullpup. I don't see anything like that in gunner view. This new system really doesn't adhere to the KISS principle. It's way too overpowered and easy to use. 20112023 Gaijin Games Kft. In War Thunder, television-guided missiles refer to a class of missile guided by "optical contrast seekers". 3.) The weapon quantity is listed as "8/4": the first number indicates that there are eight air-to-air missiles currently fitted to the aircraft, of which four are Skyflashes (the other four being AIM-9Gs). First, we need to know how much total time elapsed between missile launch and missile impact, so we'll set up the equation as follows: Where Va= velocity of the aircraft in m/s, T = elapsed time, and Vm= the velocity of the missile. 1. After using the above control to fire the missile (MCLOS & SACLOS missiles don't spool up), guide it in with the following. And yeah also don't forget to have a disable Weapon Selection Mode button assign if you want to return to how it previously was. In-game, they are a potent weapon to have at your disposal, allowing you to destroy enemy ground or naval targets from several kilometres away. The missile would not fire in gunners view, I filed a bug report about it. You're using an early close-range missile. The user interface with the weapons selector enabled can be seen to the right. Finally, bind the "Exit selected weapon mode" control, this will restore the weapon controls mode to the standard mode. We've learnt about the 4 different types - how they work, how to fire them, and how to best use each of them. I don't know if this helps at all, but here's my setup: If I'm in weapon select mode, it still allows me to fire the cannon, even if the missile is active and tracking for example. The default keybinds for manual missile guidance will prevent you from manoeuvring your aircraft with the keyboard at the same time. In the example below, the Phantom FGR.2 is carrying four Skyflashes, four AIM-9G Sidewinders, two 1,000 lb bombs, three 540 lb bombs, and SNEB rockets. Press this control once to spool it up. I've set mine to use the arrow keys. Default activation of the weapons selector mode at the start of a mission can be enabled in the options menu. One final tip: Don't engage ground targets unless there are no enemy planes up or you have fighter support. My options basically make your PS4 controller a Model Airplane controller. Archived post. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. It does not work in SBGF, I already filed a bug report. This method allows you to have better visibility on your target and the whole battlefield in general as you guide the missile in. Operational Method 1: Standard Guidance. A flare is considered a decoy, depending on the material it is made from to either burn as hot or hotter than the aircraft's exhaust in an attempt to cause the missile to target it. If there is more than one secondary weapon of the same type (e.g. https://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=Weapons_selector&oldid=154106. If go into the missile aiming view (with the green reticle), at the bottom of the screen you can see a green square with a smaller green square inside it. So I unlocked the Sparrow, assigned a key to be able to switch between secondary weapons, and now I cannot fire any air-to-air missiles. Do you happen to still have the file? Yet again a Gaijin nerf of ANOTHER OP SUMMER vehicle. These early missiles have a radar sensor in the rear of the missile that detects the radar beam of your aircraft. IR missiles only have 1 circle if they have a caged seeker, and 2 if they do not. Your video looks like AB and I play sim only. BTW this is a Heli-thread, not fighter jets Its not AB. One of your calculations is incorrect. Then press 'Exit Weapon Selection' and fire what ever I selected. Cycles through your primary weapons (and enables weapons selector mode). You need a few seconds (around 5-6 seconds) for the missile to work. When an air-to-air missile is selected, pressing the "Fire secondary weapon" key once will activate the seeker, and a second time will fire the missile. The weapons selector is also useful in many other situations; such as for aircraft with multiple types of bombs, allowing you to chose which order to drop your bombs in, or multiple calibres of offensive armament, allowing you to conserve certain ammunition for more important engagements. It is recommended to check your surroundings and ensure that there are no enemies in the vicinity, as it can be significantly more difficult to attempt to control both missile and aircraft at the same time. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. -4. It consists of guiding the missile via the assigned keys from the pilot's line of sight at a maximum range in order to hit the target. Marathon. The maximum range of the missile can be seen in the lower part of the view, in the example it is 3,500 m, and the bigger bar below it shows the range of the currently aimed point. The bombs can now be dropped. Now, the way you guide the missile is via flare, and that flare is really only visible at a max distance of 4km from your aircraft, and even then it's virtually just a tiny red dot. I forgot to take into account the acceleration due to gravity. Step 2: Launching the missile. The 20 mm cannon pod is the Phantom FGR.2's only primary weapon, so it is selected and marked with an ">", it can be fired by pressing the "Fire primary weapon" key. With the exception of self-guiding missiles, all helicopter-launched air-to-ground missiles are guided by the cursor (much like aircraft SACLOS missiles). Thanks guys. 3. SARH missiles are great for long-distance engagements of an enemy well out of the range of their more agile dogfight missiles, where depending on your piloting skill and aircraft performance, maybe an area you want to avoid. All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. Combining everything into one equation, we have: TL= (8250-((Va)((4000/(479-Va)))+4000)/(Va). Just keep the target in the smaller inner circle, once you have a lock, change to normal cockpit view and fire. Description. When launched from an aircraft, the SACLOS guided missile will fly towards the direction in which the aircraft's nose is pointing. I did exactly that, assigned one button to lock on and one to fire but nothing happens. I found a workaround anyway, I lock on in gunner's view and fire in normal view. One more thing: I highly recommend that you guys check out these two videos below showcasing the system in the user mission. Anything more and the controls are too twitchy. Maybe being able to get a lock in gunner view is the actual bug? Maximum overload: Maximum Gs the missile can pull during flight. I don't know if that is important but I am in Simulator Battles test flight mode. Air-to-air missiles or AAMs for short are missiles fired from aircraft for the purpose of destroying another aircraft. Because certain weapons (like ATGMs) can only be fired by one of the crew members (e.g. And then even when it's growling at least 50% of the time it still doesn't lock (this is at less than 3km usually, and the maximum range is supposedly 4km). This is simply not true. Scan this QR code to download the app now. Sometimes they just don't track, even though I have a radar lock, and if the target is any distance below the horizon or you are below 1000m, forget it. I get the whole OP thing, remembering back to when the IS3 was released and literally quite impossible to pen effectively from the front and the havoc that ensued with the player base. Weapons selector mode is enabled, only the machine guns are being fired by the "Fire primary weapon" key. Lock range: Maximum range that the missile can lock on from. This page was last edited on 15 March 2023, at 18:53. Your email address will not be published. All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. Remember guys, I just want to reiterate that even though the TV-guidance method is now disabled as it should be, this weapon system is still extremely lethal. and our In this guide, you'll find everything you need to know about air-to-air missiles in War Thunder. These are the key binds you are used to using for your various primary and secondary weapons. BUT. 1. Since you're in cockpit view you don't get to see the reticle, but it's smaller than the reflector sight/HUD on the cockpit. Your video looks like AB and I play sim only. Thus, the equation for horizontal distance until the rocket motor burns out is as follows: Where DHis the horizontal distance that the missile travels over the time period and AAvgis the average acceleration of the rocket over that time period. 20112023 Gaijin Games Kft. 2.) Top tier air combat can be daunting and sometimes cruel, but it can also be really fun, using your superior knowledge of the battlefield and usage of your avionics and missiles to defeat opponents. I believe that this user mission is still available; in order to download it, follow the steps in the spoilerbelow: Step 2: Download the AGM vs Tu-4 user mission. I don't play SB. You'll need to assign key bindings for both. How much time is that? Just look at my bug report (documented bug reports), there is a video which shows exactly what I am doing. Cookie Notice Once we know T, we candetermine the distance of the aircraft from the target at the moment of launch: Where D = the distance of the aircraft from the target at the moment of launch. Mark my words, the TV-guidancefeature is going to be disabledsome point. For more information, please see our 20112023 Gaijin Games Kft. Once the growling changes into a continuous tone you have a lock, so you press the launch button and let the missile do its job. It might take a bit of practice, but once you have it mastered, you're good to go! In the example below the P-47D-28 would usually have to drop its two 1,000 lb bombs first, however with the weapons selector the 500 lb bomb can be dropped first, if desired. Also, you'll want to disable relative control for both of these options to give yourself the most control over the missile. If you have the jet, then chances are, you've probably already tried the system out yourself if you've unlocked it, and have either done moderately well with it, or you've been disappointed, depending on how you've played the missile so far. Still useless in my opinion still makes radar guided AA king of killing air either your diving at the target or flying over it only ways to use it you cant really track the target. I haven't unlocked missiles myself (Still working on unlocking my Hueys' new armaments and that should take a while), but you can find some youtube videos on it. Even if you get close to your target, and I mean as close as a couple of hundred meters, there is significant drop of the rocket, just like the Tiny Tim, so aiming in SB is almost similar to using Tiny Tims. It's only much harder since you don't get a visual representation of the seeker at work. But here's the thing, I managed to get a few kills with the missiles already, but most of the time the fukin missiles will not fire at all, I get the missile seeker circle on target, wait for it to turn red, and when it's red I like have to press 20 times the fire button to fire the missile and pray for it to fire. The HVAR rockets are selected and can be fired by pressing the "Fire secondary weapon" key. As soon as the missile impacts, pull off immediately. This differs from other laser-guided missiles, in that the missile is guided by the laser beam itself rather than guiding towards the reflection of the laser on the target. Yes, that's a way of doing it, but there's still the option . Operation Lightfoot (Second Battle of El Alamein), Operation Sandstorm & Operation Dust Clouds, MCLOS - Manual Command to Line-of-Sight Missiles, SACLOS - Semi-Automatic Command to Line-of-Sight Missiles. On ps4 it's a combo (l2 & r1, I think), si may be it's a combo on xbox? Assuming that the acceleration due to gravity in the game is like that of the earth (-9.8 m/s^2), we can calculate the drop of the missile over this time period as follows: Where DV= the vertical drop (and hence the vertical lead)andT = equals the elapsed time since missile launch. The Skyflashes can be fired by pressing the "Fire secondary weapon" key. Locking may be a bit more difficult. When the weapons selector is activated all other weapon controls are disabled, this means that (for the example to the right) the Phantom's bombs cannot be dropped using their normal key bind. I made some smaller calculations to see how far the missile goes in realility above the ground:boring maths: 27 seconds flight time until self destruction, Speed during self destruction: 800kph ->795kph avg speed of the plane ->> 220m/s, 220m/s * 27s ->plane traveled 5940m rocket explodes 7000m away from plane according to data, so the rocket has a average speed of 479m/s over a distance of close to 13km. Don't worry about your aircraft; once you're holding "U," the aircraft will automatically level itself out and fly in a straight line until the missile impacts or you stop holding "U." Ok don't worry figured it out you need to assign a key to switch weapons, and a separate to "exit" the weapon select mode yikes thats dumb. albeit IS-7 could do 8.3. i play against them in 7.7 with my leo 1 and dude 8 - 10 match we lose against is 7, These vehicles describe the jumbo syndrome better than the jumbo itself. It depends on how fast your aircraft is moving. I'll give it a go tomorrow, see if it works for me. Show more War Thunder 2012. While the weapons selector is active the rockets cannot be fired by pressing the "Fire rocket" key, instead they must be fired by selecting them and pressing the "Fire secondary weapon" key. I guess this represents seeker cooling time, but don't quote me on that. All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. Before I start to talk about actually using the weapons system, there are fournumbers that you all need to remember. Weapons selector mode is enabled, with Skyflashes selected. When you have a lock in the "TRACK" mode, the circle/s will turn red and sound a sharper tone - you are then ready to press "Fire air-to-air missile" again and fire. These are the keys you will use to cycle through your primary and secondary weapons, so bind them to something which will be accessible during flight. AB is a big mess: small maps with jets put into one place and "amazing" physics. I tried this in SB and I can tell you already that reality is quite different from your description! JFG80, December 18, 2018 in Helicopters Academy. There are 2 main types of IR missiles: Rear-aspect - These are more basic IR AAMs that use a passively-cooled seeker head to detect and track an aircraft's heat. There is no little white text at the bottom when firing it! event mentioned previously; it is NOT an payloadoptionfor the FJ-4B in the regular tech tree. Writer for EverythingWarThunder and owner of the 23rd Ghost Army historical battles group. Operational method 1, granted, while it has a steeper learning curve, is both more historically accurate and balanced in terms of dynamic gameplay. The final step is to determine how long it takes from the moment the aircraft enters the missile launch zone to the launch point, a simple calculation: Where TL= the elapsed time in seconds from the moment that the aircraft enters the missile launch zone to the moment the missile should ideally be launched. The missile will guide itself towards the target, leaving the pilot free to manoeuvre the aircraft and evade any anti-air defences. It's important to note that if you turn too hard, the missile can lose track of your radar beam and will be wasted. Plus, I think that it's a more rewarding to kill a tank this way from a long range than via TV-guidance. Introduction, Pre-UseInformationand General Specs, 2. I am test flying the SU and I can't change the red box. You must first get a radar lock to fire SARH missiles, and you need to maintain that radar lock for the entire duration of the missile's flight, or else it will lose track and be wasted. It moves clockwise around the circle, and it shows the strength of the radar waves reflecting off the target - the more complete the circle, the stronger the signal. It does not stay with my selection. This is particularly useful for aircraft with . Weapons selector is not available for selecting between different armaments on naval or ground units. If I screwed up badly, however, post your evidence and proof, and I'll correct my calculations accordingly. Privacy Policy. Once set up, it allows the player to cycle through their primary and secondary weapons, and fire them using the same bound key. How do I do this with the air to ground ? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. That is using Southernbear's setup with the exception of MGs and cannons set to mouse 1 and 2 respectively. But here's the thing: this also happens in like a super straight line when I don't pull any G's!! Enabling sight stabilization will also display the range to the target in the gunner view. However, SARH missiles have 3, with a slightly larger circle surrounding the seeker's head. Once this is done you'll hear the growling tone and the missile is ready to lock. If you aren't, the missile won't lock. This method is for the more aggressive among you guys that are used to the traditional unguidedrocket strikes. The seeker's head detects the emitted radar waves bouncing off the target and follows the detection to track the target. - Sketching that's it? I didn't realize that you couldn't use the TV cam in SB. So maybe you tried to fire ATGM's? 3. 1. Just pull off and set up another attack run. Required fields are marked *. Anyone know the binding to shoot the damn things? Information and UI is current as of the \"Danger Zone\" update in June 2022 which added the F-14 and Active Radar missiles.==============================I'm all over the place! Attack drones feature a similar view. Just keep the target in the smaller inner circle, once you have a lock, change to normal cockpit view and fire. I'll update the post once it's fixed. Try this. Now when I do the exact same thing, I switch from Aim7 to Aim9, exit the weapon selection mode and it goes back to aim7's. A target must be in this circle to get a lock. Weapons selector mode is enabled, with AIM-9G Sidewinders selected. 1. skyrimmemer04 2 yr. ago. Exits weapon selector mode and restores standard key binds to operation. If I want to hit the target when the aircraft is about 4 km out, just at the max distance where you can still see the flare like I mentioned above, we'll need to known the distance to launch the missile from so it will impact at that distance. It's important to remember their shortcomings though - they're pretty useless above 5km, and even later missiles can still be easily dodged with careful flaring and evading. Marathon. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Come on, get serious, why would there be a special lock on circle in gunners view just for the sidewinder as a bug??? The weapons selector can also be used to switch between different guns on an aircraft. Press lock-on button and 2 circles appear, I try to keep the target in the inner smaller circle and the beep beep beep converts into a long steady sound beeeeeeeeep (is that the lock-on confirmation?). At first, it's spooling up in the "PWR" (powering) mode and the smaller circle will blink slowly. Here is what I am doing step by step: What is wrong? Most of my calculations were based on conversions between scale factors, so it's possible that I might be off by a small margin. By That was only once. Then, just guide the missile to the target. Step 3: Download the AGM vs Tank user mission(paste in UserMissions folder). Weapons selector mode is enabled, only the cannons are being fired by the "Fire primary weapon" key. It will appear as a only a small black dot, but be sure to watch for it. So as you see, up to distances of about 1.5 km, you don't really have to lead the target that much. Why, you might ask? All this makes targeting and guidance much easier and even allows for moderate changes of aircraft movement at the same time. The gunner can fire ATGMs while the pilot can't). All you need to do then is just keep the missile on the enemy tank until it hits. There is no tracking camera or "TV-view" for the tracking of the rocket. When the missile is ready and looking for a target in the "ACQ" (acquisition) mode, the circle will blink faster and sound a tone. PhlyDaily made avideo showcasinghow deadly this TV-guidance method is: One other attack strategy with using this missile system would be to launch it from the ground. In the game this is represented by two grey circles - the inner being the seeker's head, and the outer being the limit of its gimbal. Several different types of AGMs exist: Manual Command to Line of Sight (MCLOS) also known as command guided, Semi Automatic Command to Line of Sight (SACLOS), Television guided (TV), Infrared guided (IR), Laser guided, and Beam riding. Archived post. Any Gs over this and the missile will simply not fire. The rest of the time, it says "load factor too high" and doesn't fire!! When it does get disabled eventually, there will be those that say that the missiles are useless. Do keep in mind that you have to get pretty close to get a proper lock. You need to lock your target in the circle and then launch AAM. Yes annoying but workable, e.g. But, Gaijin's old MO used to be to allow the players that earned said vehicles around a month before they would implement nerfs so they could at least enjoy their hard earned vehicles for that period. This is the control which will fire your selected primary weapon (usually your guns), so you should bind it to the same key you usually use for your guns (left mouse button by default). Powered by Invision Community. If yes, which view? Im pretty sure its a "Camera controlled guided missile" and not a "TV-Guided missile". Once you're at the optimal launch position, launch the missile and, before guiding it, move your aircraft either slightly above or to the side of the smoke trail so that you can actually see the missile. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. ok but this must be a bug so when I first set it up, I could use the 'switch secondary weapon' key to change from Aim9 to Aim7. You have to keep the target on the upper part of the HUD to keep the reticle lined up, above the crosshair. Why would you get a lock in one view and fire in a different view??? You generally want to use these at long range, but some advanced SARH missiles like the Skyflash or AIM-7F are great in dogfights too! What has changed? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. "3/1" means that of a total of three bombs, one is of the selected type (500 lb AN-M64A1). The trick is setting the same key to both "fire guns" and "fire primary weapon". Select Secondary Weapon (to get into the mode and cycle through): SHIFT + RMT, Fire Secondary Weapon: RMT (outside of mode, I have it assigned to MGs). I cant find it anywhere. Go to the dollar store and buy a can of computer cleaner and spray the shit out of your console. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. I do plan to do this; unfortunately, atm, my recording software is broken. How "tight" the missile can turn. Valve Corporation. the second part of the 2018 Operation S.U.M.M.E.R. Some planes and AGMs however have IR or thermal imaging and can be used at night and have better targeting quality. Powered by Invision Community, [Tutorial] How to use the AGM-12B Bullpup, Math, History, WarThunder, Vehicular Combat, Civil Discussions, U.S. Armed Forces, On the Tropic of C a N c E r a legitimate location. I can here some strange noise like beep beep and I push the lock on button but nothing locks on??? Since the missile reaches it's top speed of 600 m/s after engine burnout, we can calculate the distance at which the missile flies relatively straight with little drop. In real life they lock on a target and follow heat sources. This view gets activated when you push the assigned weapon lock on button, and you can only see it in gunner's view! - Hosting Community Events / Custom Battles. As for the drop of the rocket, you're also correct. albeit IS-7 could do 8.3.. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Each type of weapon can have its own key bind. The wing-mounted 1,000 lb bombs are selected. I stabilize my drone camera then I turn on the laser and I cant fire any missiles. Beam riding missiles are operated using a radar or laser beam to guide them to the target. Here is a screenshot of the assigned controls you need to activate the "lock" and keep the target inside the smaller circle - the activation will "growl" and when locked, it will change tone..you then fire. Select Secondary Weapon (to get into the mode and cycle through): SHIFT + RMT Fire Secondary Weapon: RMT (outside of mode, I have it assigned to MGs) Exit Weapon Selection Mode: CTRL + RMT Best regards, Phil Report post Posted September 3, 2020 Try this. I tried the same setup in RB and it works there! Note that in-game these guidance systems might work differently than their respective real counterparts or the missiles might use a different guidance system than in reality. Big shout out to @Gallonmate, @RideR2, and @Iron_physikfor making this mission possible. Remember, while controlling the Bullpups is hard, they still have exceptional trajectory and payload. Even if you miss, DON'T try to fire another one off in the same attack run, because you risk exposing yourself to enemy fire. They were bad at tracking through ground clutter, but I'm pretty sure that many of their characteristics have been artificially nerfed, especially their speed. Don't have the jet, but still really want to try out the missile system? The the two consoles are essentially the same. It is critical that you set up the weapons selector correctly or else you may find yourself in a situation where you are unable to use any weaponry on your aircraft. Though if you have a set up which will allow guns to override weapons select, that would be fantastic. Make sure your within about 3 km otherwise it locks on but wont fire. How is one supposed to use the new AIM-9 missiles exactly? Ah, that I hadn't done. The intro of more current vehicles is leading to less than stellar knee jerk decision making by Gaijin. I try to fire Air to Air missile but it won't fire??? After this, bind the "Switch primary weapons" and "Switch secondary weapons" controls. I understand how to fire and guide AAMs, but what about AGMs? Sparrows also seem to be rather hit and miss (pardon the pun). I think once I can be bothered, I'll just get rid of the "legacy" system and go to the weapon toggle and single button for weapon release, more realistic and fewer key binds. You are removing ALL incentive for grinding or buying your way to the new vehicles other than just to have a "rare" vehicle in your hanger. Once you have a lock, press this again and the missile will fire. In SB there are 2 gunner views, one for guns and air to air missiles and one for ATGMs. If we want to find when to launch the missile, we'll have to work backwards a little bit.
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